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The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage

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Susa

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212. Elküldve: 2006-12-29 08:54:01, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[226.]
Hello, in Switzerland, Brown Bears, Wolves and Lynx has been died out. However, there is a project to settle down lynxes again. The released lynx do well to survive on their own here. And from Italy wolves come over the border in the alps for hunting. Of course they do attack flock as well. There is a Livestock Guard Project running, because the wolves and lynx are protected animals in here. Some Sheep breeders joined this project and have LGDs and Donkeys to protect and guard the flocks. The Donkeys for alarming. There are NO Kuvasz in charge here, but Maremmano and Great Pyr.Mountaindogs, only. Other Sheep breeders are not pleased about the wolf protection and would rather like to shoot them. In 2005 one adult Brown Bear from Italy walked over the border in the Mountains and stayed here in the eastern alp of Switzerland, during the summer. People here were confused. They did not know, if they should be pleased or scared and how to deal with the bear. After all, the very last Swiss bear got killed in 1898 ! They decided to just let him be and observe him. He killed some sheeps, chicken and destroyed and plundered some beehives. He was shy toward people and dogs. When people shouted at him and made noise, he ran away. By the end of the summer, the bear disappeared again. Now, this year the same bear appeared in Germany. He came via austria to the German alps. Same "Game". He killed sheeps, chickens and ate up honey. The Germans did shoot him unfortunately. Susa & Maros

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211. Elküldve: 2006-12-28 23:25:00, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[227.]
Hi Melissa! I just now learned about you at the first page (where you live, etc.). At the Carpathian mountains there are lynx, grey wolfs and braun bears too (unique in Europe). These tree species coat and trophy are world record ones. I no in America there are some times biger trophys, but those and these species are subspecies. In Carpathian mountains there are big lynxes, who coud kill the guardian dogs- at Carpathians the hunting dogs are guardian dogs- mainly if there is hunt. The bears attacks the flock and the kuvaszok (unfortunatelly mixed kuvaszok, rarely kuvaszok) they do contra attack. The bear who caught something rarely let off, to go back his prey.Bye- bye !

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210. Elküldve: 2006-12-28 02:38:43, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[228.]
Hi ku-assa, No, we don't seem to have any lynx in my area, but we do have bobcats. Bobcats are smaller than lynx. A bobcat is less than 1/2 the size of a Kuvasz, so I think the bobcat has more to fear! I remember the first time I saw a bobactat. I thought it was a domestic cat until I saw the tufts of hair coming out of its ears and the stubby tail. It was rather big for a domestic cat too. It showed only mild curiosity in me. You're right a puma probably could kill a Kuvasz, but they are not dumb and gernerally go for easier meals. Not many Kuvasz would make an easy meal! And if there were 2 Kuvasz, I would bet my money on the dogs winning. The Kuvasz would simply harass the heck out of the puma and annoy it into leaving.

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209. Elküldve: 2006-12-27 21:57:15, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[229.]
Hi Tessi! What about lynx? Is there at your land some of them? I think the puma could kill the most of kuvaszok and other guardian dogs, and the lynx too. What do you think so ? " Állj a határnál, híven, régi jelkép igaztalan világban az igaz, tiltó szoborként nyúlj el a küszöbre, FAJTÁM ŐRZŐJE, BÖLCS, MAGYAR KUVASZ" Kosztolányi Dezső-Hattyú kutyám http://kuassa.mindenkilapja.hu/

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208. Elküldve: 2006-12-25 22:48:32, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[230.]
My kuvasz girl, Jászó likes a white and red spoted little ball, Borcsa my komondor and kuvasz mixed dog likes only big bones and my kuvasz boy, Talpas- who lives with my parents- likes a yellow hedgehog . " Állj a határnál, híven, régi jelkép igaztalan világban az igaz, tiltó szoborként nyúlj el a küszöbre, FAJTÁM ŐRZŐJE, BÖLCS, MAGYAR KUVASZ" Kosztolányi Dezső-Hattyú kutyám http://kuassa.mindenkilapja.hu/

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207. Elküldve: 2006-12-24 17:51:22, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[231.]
Merry Christmas to you and your doggies!

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206. Elküldve: 2006-12-24 17:30:41, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[232.]
What kind of toys do your Kuvasz like? What are your getting them for Christmas? My dogs have particular preferences. Magda likes orange toys in chenille fabric, whereas Ximanya likes lavender fleece. Magda also LOVES a huge yellow hippopotamus made of rubber and with a squeeker. It is most unusual--not completely hollow but stuffed with more rubber, so that when it is stepped on it squeesk/screams and continues to scream until all the air has come back into it. Gets the ears up every time! Melissa and Magda [email protected]

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205. Elküldve: 2006-12-24 17:17:45, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[233.]
Boldog Karácsonyt és Vidám Újév! Melissa and Magda [email protected]

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204. Elküldve: 2006-12-23 23:52:29, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[234.]
I wish you all a Merry Christmas,and a happy new Year. Képtáram

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203. Elküldve: 2006-12-23 22:35:01, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[235.]
Merry Christmas for all kuvasz lovers of the world ! " Állj a határnál, híven, régi jelkép igaztalan világban az igaz, tiltó szoborként nyúlj el a küszöbre, FAJTÁM ŐRZŐJE, BÖLCS, MAGYAR KUVASZ" Kosztolányi Dezső-Hattyú kutyám http://kuassa.mindenkilapja.hu/

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202. Elküldve: 2006-12-23 09:09:17, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[236.]
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all! Képtáram

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201. Elküldve: 2006-12-23 07:48:17, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[237.]
Merry Chrsitmas and happy, new Year!

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200. Elküldve: 2006-12-23 06:21:15, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[238.]
Thank you Susa.The kuvasz forum wish you MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR

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199. Elküldve: 2006-12-22 09:29:19, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[239.]
I wish you all a Merry Chrsitmas and a happy, prosperous new Year: Kellemes Karácsonyiunnepeket & Boldog Új Évet Susa & Maros

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198. Elküldve: 2006-12-21 19:37:53, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[240.]
Szigetszentmiklós is a settlement

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197. Elküldve: 2006-12-21 19:30:10, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[241.]
What does "Szigetszentmiklósra" mean? My online dictionary does not have this word. Melissa and Magda [email protected]

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196. Elküldve: 2006-12-20 23:00:09, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[242.]
Thank you for these interesting storys. I learned your letter with dictionary, and I understood all. I know many storys, from the Carpatian mountains too, but unfortunately my english is very young baby . Most of the storys I now from books, but I now a few from my grandparents and from carpatian mens. Last week I buy' d a DVD, about the Yellowstone Nat. Park. There is an episode when grey wolfs attacked a coyote and they perhaps killed him . I no too that one wolf is coming to lure the guarding dogs with him and the other wolfs coming up to kill sheeps from the flock. Bye- bye, I must go to sleep because at morning I go at work to the post office ! " Állj a határnál, híven, régi jelkép igaztalan világban az igaz, tiltó szoborként nyúlj el a küszöbre, FAJTÁM ŐRZŐJE, BÖLCS, MAGYAR KUVASZ" Kosztolányi Dezső-Hattyú kutyám http://kuassa.mindenkilapja.hu/

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195. Elküldve: 2006-12-20 02:05:49, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[243.]
The FCI Standard in Hungarian has these proportions: Fontos méretarányok: A marmagasság százalékában: Törzshosszúság: 104% Mellkasmélység: 48% Dongásság: 27% Övméret: 120% Fejhossz: 45% Az orrhossz a fejhossz: 42%-a A fülhossz a fejhossz: 50%a Yet the English translation does not. Does anyone know why? Melissa and Magda [email protected]

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194. Elküldve: 2006-12-20 01:17:53, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[244.]
Hi Ku-Assa, Yes, I know about it and not just from stories! My Kuvasz have all worked. All have chased off coyotes. Where my horses are there are also bears. The bears never come anywhere near when I have a Kuvasz with me. There is also a mountain lion, so I am always careful going into the hills at night where my horses are unless I have a Kuvasz with me. I never see the mountain lion, but other people have not been so lucky. The cats are not stupid though and don't want to approach (or even be seen when there is a big, noisy, brave dog around!). I will have to tell you some stories of how my Kuvasz guard against coyotes. It is fascinating to watch a dog doing what it was bred to do. Tessie my Kuvasz that died last year at age 12 was an excellent coyote protector. I would have her off leash around the horse corrals, and she would patrol the property. NOTHING was allowed inside the boundaries I had walked with her. Two sides of the property were unfenced, but she would never stray from past the boundaries. But coyotes were not allowed inside. Rabbits and other little creatures were ignored, but coyotes she hated on sight. When they would venture on her territory, she would stiffen and puff herself up. Then she would lower her head and charge--silently until she was almost on top of the coyote. Then she would make the most ferocious growling and barking! The coyotes were very fast and would run away extremely quickly. Tessie would not pursue them once she reached the edge of the property. This is a wise thing because a lone coyote will try to lure a dog away and then the whole pack will attack it. A smart guardian will not fall for this trick. Tessie never did. I was very proud of her. I do have more coyote encounter stories. One with Tessie when she was the teacher of my Ximanya when she was a puppy and didn't know how sneaky those coyotes were. Tessie saved Ximanya's life. And quite happily now Ximanya is 12 years old. My current showdog Magda has also had coyote encounters, and she has proven to me all her guardian instincts are quite intact. She is not the least bit dog aggressive at dog shows, yet she hated coyotes from the first time she saw one. I was impressed. I can tell more details in another post, but that first time she immediately jumped in front of me and blocked the coyote's advance towards me. Then she went after it in a very unfriendly way (growling and barking) and chased it all the way down the street in front of my house and over a wall. She was on a long Flexi-Lead at the time (which I was holding), and I couldn't run as fast as she wanted to go. Otherwise she would have caught that coyote. I have no doubt she would have dispatched it. As to bears, the Kuvasz owned by Magda's breeder, Debbie Blank of Glacier Creek Kuvasz, have guarded against them in Alaska very, very frequently as there are many more bears in Alaska than in Southern California. Also her Kuvasz have protected her property from moose, which I believe can be even more dangerous than bears. Not everyone lives in an area that has large predators, so many breeders no longer know if their dogs retain correct guarding instinct. They may hope so, but there is no substitute for real-life experience!

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193. Elküldve: 2006-12-19 22:10:17, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[245.]
Hi Tessi! Did you heard stroys about kuvaszok guarding sheeps, cows, etc. in America from coyots, wolfs or bears ?

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192. Elküldve: 2006-12-19 11:18:41, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[246.]
Hi Tessie, Sorry, we can't help you this time! I try to get someone who knows these dogs to have your answers. As far as I concerned, these dogs belong to Mr. Zoltán Pető. He has a website "Fehér Morcos kennel". Maybe he can help you. Greetings "Minden nemzet, mely elmúlt kora emlékezetét semmivé teszi vagy semmivé lenni hagyja, saját nemzeti életét gyilkolja meg." (Kölcsey Ferenc) www.neobullterrier.com

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191. Elküldve: 2006-12-18 18:14:37, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[247.]
Eromi posted this in the show and result thread: http://www.kuvasnkp.ru/?id=photo_championship2006 Are these photos from the World Show in Poznan, Poland? If so, is that a picture of Feher Morcos Huseg near the bottom of the page? Which Kuvasz is Cakkos? Which is Ugatos and Tamaris? Melissa and Magda [email protected]

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190. Elküldve: 2006-12-17 11:22:49, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[248.]
Derby, Budapest,2006.12.16 there are the pictures.

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189. Elküldve: 2006-12-17 06:52:38, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[249.]
The parents are Hun Zazholm Vezér and Václigeti Cifra. "Minden nemzet, mely elmúlt kora emlékezetét semmivé teszi vagy semmivé lenni hagyja, saját nemzeti életét gyilkolja meg." (Kölcsey Ferenc) www.neobullterrier.com

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188. Elküldve: 2006-12-17 01:08:18, The Kuvasz- Our National Heritage	[250.]
Thanks Mangaman! But now comes the inevitable question--who are the parents of Tétényszépe Beri Adél? Melissa and Magda [email protected]

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