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Greetings to all my Kuvasz friends in Hungary! It has been a long time since I posted. Apparently new rules are in effect, and it took me a while to blunder around and find out how to comply. I kept getting all sorts of warnings with exclamation points!!!! that I was doing something wrong, and Google translates English version of what was written in Hungarian was less than helpful. But being a stubborn Kuvasz owner I persevered. 
Now as to the reason for my posting. We are having some heated discussions in the US on a variety of Kuvasz issues, so I wanted to ask for some assistance from Hungarians who know the Kuvasz best.
What is the date of the most recent FCI standard for the Kuvasz? Is there
an official English translation of it? I found this one, FCI Standard N54 / 13.09.2000 / GB, on this site, translated by Mrs C. Seidler and Mrs Elke Peper, but is there a newer standard???
I thought I remembered reading some discussions on this board a few or
several year ago(!) regarding a new standard being proposed for the Kuvasz, but then I got busy and don't recall what happened for sure. Well, now the matter
has come up in the US, so I thought I'd come here to get the most accurate
answer.
I think I will be asking about coats too, because the situation in the US showring, well it is a sad state of affairs. I love the wavy coat of the Kuvasz, and that is simply not what is being presented (and winning) here.
Thanks,
Melissa
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There are now 49 Kuvasz in the OFA database for prcd-PRA:
http://tinyurl.com/35skc3
The breakdown is 15 are carriers/hordozo and 34 are normal//clear/mentes.
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I am posting this for my friend Debbie Blank who owns Glacier Creek Kuvasz in Montana, USA. Debbie is interested in exchanging Kuvasz bloodlines between the US and Hungary.
" Deborah Blank <[email protected]>
I work with the International Canine Semen Bank in Portland Oregon to
collect my males and do frozen breedings. They said they will ship the
container over and back, no deposit required. It costs about 600 US each
way to ship. Right now they have a container going to Kecskemet Hungary
within the month. To get semen there and back I would only have to share
the cost of shipping. They also said they ship back and forth to Germany
frequently. I have frozen semen on hip certified pra clear proven males I
would be interested in sending over in exchange for semen coming back. Or
even if someone wanted to use them, it wouldn't be as outrageously
expensive as previously thought since ICSB doesn't require a deposit. I
have had two sucessful breedings with 5 year old semen. Could someone
tell me what tests dogs would need to send semen over to the more
controlled European countries? The boys are all alive so I could get the
tests done for posterity, in case they ever get used. Thanks!"
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Here is a link for a search of all the Kuvasz currently in the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals (OFA) database in America with Optigen prcd-PRA results (as of today there are 23 Kuvasz listed):
http://tinyurl.com/35skc3
Gail Dash did the search, but she is not sure how long it will work (maybe for weeks or months???).
I also know of 4 other Kuvasz in the US with prcd-PRA test results, but they aren't in the OFA database yet (probably will be soon). Their owners have publicly announced the results. Of these 4 Kuvasz, 3 are clear/normal and 1 is a carrier.
Optigen just had its Winter "Discount Days" and the owners are just receiving the results for their Kuvasz, so I expect the OFA database will have even more Kuvasz in it shortly.
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Yes, Enikő you are a genius! 
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Hi Kuvasz admirers. I have a question that I hope the smart people here can answer. Sometime last year in one of the areas of this forum (maybe the pictures section, Kepek?) there was a photograph of a man walking 5 or 6 Kuvasz on leashes down a road in a forest. The Kuvasz were really beautiful,  but i don't think it said who owned or bred them. I was curious about who the man was and who the dogs were. Naturally, I can't find the picture to tell you where it is. That's why I'm hoping a clever person here will remember the picture.
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Happy New Year!
It was a lovely day here in the mid 70 degrees F. No snow (I would probably go into shock).:) Watched the Rose Parade on tv in the morning and spent the afternoon with friends watching football and eating!
Hope you all had as nice a start to the year.
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Hi all and Merry Christmas!
2007 is coming to an end, and I'm curious as to which Kuvasz in Hungary, both male and female, are considered to have done best in the showring for the year? Do you have year end rankings for the breed? If so, how do the Kuvasz earn points?
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Below are the results for the 2nd day of all breed dog shows being held in Long Beach, California. The hosting club on Thursday was the Los Encinos Kennel club, and there were a total of 2,215 dogs entered. There were 15 Kuvasz entered and 14 showed. Of them 10 were champions, and 1 new championship title was earned.
The Kuvasz breed judge was Dr. Klaus Anselm. Dr. Anselm was also the judge of the Working Group.
Working Group 4--Ch. Glacier Creek's Whispering Wind
Best of Breed--Ch. Glacier Creek's Whispering Wind
Best of Opposite Sex--Ch. Casablanca's Capt. Louis Renault
Best of Winners and Winners Bitch-- Elso's Sooperdooper Stellalooper**** New Champion!
Winners Dog--Casablanca's Scandinavian Birch
It was fantastic to see a Kuvasz be awarded a Group 4 at such a prestigious show as many of the top show dogs in the country are competing. I'm not sure which FCI Group the Kuvasz belongs to and which other breeds it competes with for higher honors than Best of Breed. But in the USA in the Working Group are: Akitas, Alaskan Malamutes, Anatolian Shepherd Dogs, Bernese Mountain Dogs, Black Russian Terriers, Boxers, Bullmastiffs, Doberman Pinschers, German Pinschers, Giant Schnauzers, Great Danes, Great Pyrenees, Greater Swiss Mountain Dogs, Komondorok, Mastiffs, Neapolitan Mastiffs, Newfoundlands, Portuguese Water Dogs, Rottweilers, Saint Bernards, Samoyeds, Siberian Huskies, Standard Schnauzers, and Tibetan Mastiffs.
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Here are the results for the 1st day of the dog shows in Long Beach, California. The judge was R. William Taylor from Canada.
Best of Breed--Ch. Glacier Creek's Whispering Wind (call name Brenda)
Best of Opposite Sex--Casablanca's Scandinavian Birch (Birk)
Best of Winners and Winners Bitch--Elso's Sooperdooper Stellalooper (Stella)
There were 13 Kuvasz entered, and 12 showed. Tomorrow there are 15 Kuvasz entered.
Interestingly, there is a bitch imported from Hungary entered on Friday. Her sire is Gacsaj-Pesta Rongyos.
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Thank you all for your kind comments about Ximanya. They are appreciated.
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I am very sorry to announce the death last night of my beautiful Ximanya.  I've had her since she was 9 weeks old, and I miss her terribly. There is nothing I have ever wanted to do less than take her to the veterinarian last night for the final time. Never again will I see that happy, smiling face and beautiful black eyes.
Brantwood's Ximanya
November 4, 1994-November 25, 2007
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Hi Jozsef,
That's a picture from the 2003 National Kuvasz Specialty show held at Purina Farms in Gray Summit, Missouri. The man holding the ribbon prize is the judge Roger Hartinger. The class was for best brood bitch and was won by Mauna Kea's Heart's Affire, "Markie". The lady in black (I don't know her name) appears to be holding Markie. The other 2 Kuvasz in the picture are Markie's offspring. The one in the middle looks as if it is being held by the owner of Mauna Kea Kuvasz, Sue Thomas, and the one on the end I think is Mauna Kea's Last Tango (a male), held by Maria Arechaederra.
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Hi Attila,
Thanks for the information about the show. I hope there will be many pictures taken and posted here.
Now I have another question. In the Képes ki mit tud, ki ismeri fel ? thread, Veteran's post #329 has a picture. Who are the people and dogs? It looks like Veteran (wearing the tie!).
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Isn't there an important show for Kuvasz in Hungary held in December? The Derby? Can you tell me which Kuvasz are eligible and who is going? Also, who is the judge?
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I have some more PRA test results to announce. All testing done by Optigen.
Previously I mentioned that my Magda (Glacier Creek's Matanuska Magda) was tested clear/normal for PRA. Now Magda's sire and one of her sisters have been tested.
G'Kar (Glacier Creek's Texas Tornado), Magda's sire, is PRA clear/normal. He also has OFA excellent hips.
Katrina (Glacier Creek's Catch the Spirit), Magda's sister, is PRA clear/normal. Katrina also has OFA excellent hips.
In addition, World Champion Furrondie's Rain N Shine (call nam Mokany) is PRA clear/normal. He has OFA fair hips.
Mokany and Katrina had a litter of puppies about 5 months ago. All puppies are PRA clear/normal. Their breeder has retained 2 puppies, and bitch and a dog, and they will be starting their show careers soon. I don't know their registered names yet, but their call names are Bambi and Thumper.
We are having the Eukanuba National Championships in Long Beach, CA and some all breed shows at the end of November and early December. There are over 15 Kuvasz entered. Bambi and Thumper are coming too. I might steal Bambi........ I will post a report about the show if anyone is interested.
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Thought those of you on this board would be interested in an email message I sent out this morning to Kuvasz-L:
Happy 13th Birthday to Ximanya!
Yes, X turned 13 today and started out her day as she would prefer--with
something delicious to eat.;) She had lamb steak for breakfast. She was
so funny. She liked that steak so much she couldn't bear to swallow it
immediately, and carried it around for a about 10 minutes. Her cheeks
were puffed out like a chipmunk.
This past year she has slowed down quite a bit (except for when it comes
to catching snacks tossed her way in mid air*g*). She can't LEAP into the
van anymore, so I bought her some steps so she can ascend in a more
dignified manner. X may not be as limber as she once was, but her hips
are still good, and I have to say having an older dog with good hips makes
all the difference in the world. So I am extremely grateful to all those
breeders responsible for breeding the dogs in her pedigree and for putting
a priority on good hips (as well as temperament and type).
That means a big thank you to:
Jan and Olga Schmidt (of Brantwoods in Canada) for breeding Ximanya and
letting me have her
Jozsef Juhasz in Hungary for breeding X's sire Vertesi Selymes Emir
Andras Kovacs (Hungary) for his assistance with the importation of Emir
and Iluska (pregnant with X's dam Hava when imported)
Magda Zimanyi for letting me use her lovely name!
Melissa
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Hi Susa,
Regarding my post #315. I also do not like rumors. I do check my information, and I stand by my post. I have kept in touch by both email and phone with Optigen and over a period of months have talked to them multiple times.
I contacted Optigen about my post #315 and asked them to look at it to see if I should make any corrections. Not one was suggested. My post is okay although you may not agree with it.
If you wish to verify what's in my post, feel free to contact Optigen. The phone nubmer is 607 257 0301 and email is [email protected]
Here is information from Optigen's web page about patents on the prcd PRA test:
OptiGen holds the exclusive license for these tests from Cornell Research
Foundation, Inc.:
prcd-PRA US Patent No. 5,804,388
prcd-PRA Canadian Patent No. CA2306194
prcd-PRA U.K. Patent No. 2 341 926
prcd-PRA Mutation Patent Pending, International
prcd-PRA LD Patent Pending, International
As you can see, multiple patents have already been issued. The international patents are expected *at any time*. Very soon. And when that does happen, Laboklin will have to stop doing the prcd PRA test. International treaties and patent laws are complicated and sometimes it just takes less time to wait for the patent to be formally issued that to opt for slow court systems.
But once the international patents are issued, which I've said is expected VERY SOON, the people who had their dogs tested by Laboklin may be in a difficult situation. What kennel clubs will accept those test results then? Not all kennel clubs accept Laboklin prcd PRA test results now (people should investigate and see which ones do not). So the Laboklin prcd PRA tested dogs may need to be retested in order for the results to be considered official by all the kennel clubs.
I also thought I would share some of the discussions I had over the phone with Optigen yesterday. Optigen has been approached by Laboklin to get a licensing agreement for Optigen's prcd PRA test. There is NO agreement. Optigen does not know what the test is that Laboklin is doing for prcd PRA. Optigen and Labolin are not sharing results of their testing with each other.
In private email with other individuals studying PRA (not anyone working for either company) I have been told that Laboklin has wanted to retest Kuvasz already tested by Optigen for prcd PRA and that I should "guess the reason why". I leave that for others to decide for themselves why Laboklin would want to to do so.
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Hi Outsider,
Yes, I have numerous reasons for feeling as I do about Laboklin, and I have no problem with saying so in public. However, I fear my explanation in English is going to be difficult to translate for you!
For one thing, Laboklin did not do the research on the PRA test. Because of this they do not have the details about how exactly to do the test. One thing I would suggest is for you to ask Laboklin how they developed their test? Where are their veterinary scientific papers published on their test??? They will have a big problem giving you an answer because the research was done by Optigen. The veterinary scientific papers were published by the Optigen staff.
Laboklin came along after Optigen published its papers from years of research by Optigen staff. Optigen then offered the PRA test based on its own research. Laboklin suddenly came up with a PRA test without doing the research that Optigen had. So where is Laboklin's proof that its test works? The proof needs to be in published veterinary scientific papers. Did Laboklin do anything other than copy Optigen's test from what was in published scientific papers?
I will give you an example of a similar situation that happened in Arabian horses. Arabian horses have a lethal recessive gene for something called Severe Combined Immunodeficiency (SCID). Affected animals do not live to adulthood because they are born with no immune system and 100% of affected animals die before they reach 6 months of age. Breeding 2 carriers together results in 25% clear offspring, 50% carrier offspring, and 25% affected offspring. For years the only way to tell if you had a carrier horse was if it produced a foal that died from SCID. There was no carrier test.
But in 1997 that changed. After years of study, researchers at the University of Texas developed a DNA carrier test for SCID and published scientific articles on the test. They also patented the test. Then they licensed this test to a company called Vetgen (http://www.vetgen.com/equine-strategies.html). Vetgen had to buy expensive equipment and supplies to run the tests, and it also had to pay royalties to the University of Texas. So the test was expensive for Arabian horse owners.
Another company saw this and came along after the test was announced and the scientifc papers were published and copied the test. Without having to pay any of the research costs, they offered the test to the public for a much lower price. Many people chose the cheaper price. The problem was that as this company did not have the details from the research, their copy was not very good. The results were NOT accurate. Their tests indicated that horses were clear of SCID when in fact they were carriers, and that horses were carriers of SCID when in fact they were clear. You can imagine the consequences of breeding animals with a possible lethal gene when the test results are not accurate.
Well, soon it all ended up in a lawsuit. Vetgen sued this other company for violating the patent it had a license on. The details of the test errors by the other company came out in court. The other company got in trouble. Also, all the people who had tried to save money by using the cheaper test now had worthless test results. They had to retest their horses again with Vetgen.
So, can you now see why I would not accept any test results from Laboklin?
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Thank you outsider! I'm glad to hear about the decisions that have been made. PRA is a serious problem that cannot be ignored.
However, one thing in what you wrote worries me a little. The comment about sending 12 samples to Germany. I hope that does not mean the testing will be done by Laboklin. As far as I know the test Laboklin offers is only a copy of the patented DNA test done by Optigen. The Laboklin test has not been proven to be accurate, so I would regard any dog tested by Laboklin as not tested at all.
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I see that in Minőségi tenyésztés there is some discussion of PRA. Could someone summarize what is being said? I'm afraid it is beyond the capabilities of my online dictionary. Thanks!
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In post #417 in Kiállítások, eredmények, who are the Kuvasz?
Great pictures from the show!
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I do like a clean dog and she was shedding her coat. So I tried a high-speed blower at the grooming shop to try and shed out all the dead coat at once. This did not work!!!! She still had plenty to shed all over me for the next couple weeks. 