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Hello....
I don't know anyone's plans for that.
I need to do it for myself as I am at a serious disadvantage due to my language capability in such a technical topic. I will need to have it translated for my better understanding. But I did not plan to share it with anyone.
Regards, Celeste
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Hi József,
It is much easier to criticize and tell others what to do than to do something yourself.
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Hello József,
You are entitled to your opinions and methods and I to mine. We do not have to agree. Your ideas are not surely better or worse than mine.
What have you done or what do you suggest to do to get people to attend the meetings they asked for?
A list about who is at the meeting is not discrimination, it is a fact.
Regards, Celeste
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Kedves Gyuri,
IF you do not go to ALL the epilepsy speaker lectures how can you compare the information given in them? You do not have to agree or disagree or have any opinion at all in order to go, just the will to learn and arm yourself with the information you need to make an educated opinion, not one based on gossip, foolish information and ignorance. You do not need to be a breeder to go, this involves everyone that has or wants a Mudi now or later.
IF you plan to rely on other peoples knowledge from this event, you will be at a serious disadvantage - what other people might take away from this meeting will probably not be what you would have. You will hear information that was maybe not properly understood or remembered incorrectly. Second hand information is a dangerous way to learn anything. How many people already do not believe other people in this issue! There is enough stupidity being spread around now, it is time to get the facts and do what needs to be done. I see risky litter after riskier litter being bred, ticking time bombs in an innocent Mudi coat that will explode and cause needless pain and suffering to the dog and its owner. It is time to stop the incorrect information and listen to the speaker yourself, ask the questions you want to ask, stop relying on other people to learn for you! This is a lazy and irresponsible attitude to take with such an important issue.
IF epilepsy is not the most important issue in the Mudi breed today, what is? What is more important to the future of the breed at this moment????
IF you think that Hungarians are any different than any other people in the world in regard to last minute planning, you need to get out more. People are the same everywhere, some plan ahead and some never do. Why do people find it so easy to make excuses for lack of care and responsibility in others?
IF you want to believe that I was disrespectful to the Viadal, that's up to you. But I was not, what I wrote was totally twisted around to say what that person wanted it to say so they could stand in judgement of me. When I pointed out the faults in her opinion, she could not refute it and backed off. If what I wrote will get one more person to the meeting for whatever reason, then it was worth writing. If I wrote after the meeting how awful it was that almost no one came, what would be the good in that? Anyone could do that. What I wrote will surely not deter anyone from coming, that is just another lame excuse.
IF the truth about the lack of attendance to this meeting is painful to some people, if it drove home the point of the matter with those that it was aimed at, that was the point don't you think. I had the courage to speak my opinions in public about what I see happening, I did not say this behind other peoples backs in private emails, gossip, etc. It is time to wake people up out of their blissful ignorance. Epilepsy is in the Mudi and it is not going to go away by itself no matter how much people choose to make excuses for their lack of involvement.
IF you were not aware, many people on this very forum asked, complained and insisted on having epilepsy professionals come to talk at the clubs expense! Do you have any idea how much this lecture is going to cost? Where is the planned attendance from this forums members at what they insisted on having now? This is what is very incorrect, not what I said! Please place the blame for this where it belongs - Ordering an event at someone else's expense and not going - that is what is rude! That was the point of my first post.
IF people truly thought this was important, they would make the time and spend the money to be there. The real truth is they are afraid of the real truth and they may have to change the way they do things and this is why they won't come. Ignorance gives the freedom to continue on doing whatever they want to do.
IF anyone truly cares they will find a way to be there, if they don't give a crap they won't. There are very few real reasons that should keep anyone away (work, hospital, illness, holiday, etc.) but no one has mentioned these are the reasons they cannot come. This is a FREE seminar for klub members! What the expense that someone cannot pay if it was something they really wanted to do? There are more than 70 MMK club members!! It's only 2000 forint for non-club members. It was told that this meeting would be held 2 weeks ago, if as you say people plan last minute, what's the problem? Not last minute enough? There are no other events for the Mudi on the date that was chosen, that is why this date was chosen. The facility it is being held at is a very nice one and very well equipped for this seminar and the parking lot is huge and it is free parking too! There is a full compliment of public transportation available to this location and if someone needed a ride they should say so on this forum - that would be making good use of this forum actually.
I could say so much more, but what's the point. Very few people listen to anyone else in this breed about anything. Very few people really care and want to do anything outside of what is fun. This will not be fun, surely everyone has something better to do including me, but it is vitally important to the breed and one day those that refuse to face the truth will realize what could have been done, but wasn't and you know what, it will be too late. Been there, done that, buried the dog.
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Szia Kati,
Sorry, I meant the report about the Mudi Viadal should be translated, not my post, but thank you anyway.
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Hello József,
A report about the epilepsy seminar, if it takes place, will be made and the names of people that attended will be listed. This is a common practice done at events such as this, same as could have been done with the Mudi Viadal and any other Mudi event or meeting.
What is the problem with this?
If someone wants to make a report about the Mudi Viadal, please do and I will place it to the website too. I ask that it also be translated to English as well.
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Kati, you and Józi have two Mudis that have working ability - Janka and Rôzse? They come from working parents so they should have some ability to do something.
Now that they are epileptic, what are you able to do with them? Did they compete at the Viadal? Were they even able to go? Are they now "useless"? Not even good for companions?
I think that just about says it all in regards to which is more important, health or working ability don't you.
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If someone complains as has been done that this meeting was needed and then makes excuses why they cannot come, they should be held accountable. If you ask for something that costs money but do not pay, you are responsible for what you ordered even if you do not want it later on. I am not judging just holding those accountable that are accountable.
The klub should not be held accountable for every whim that people have and then do not bother with any more. All the fuss made about having meetings was hot air if no one shows up and the klub should ignore all the requests from now on then.
A healthy Mudi that cannot work is still a very good companion dog. Not every puppy born in a litter has working ability - this does not mean we kill them.
The Mudi is a herding breed, there is no such thing as a sport breed. The Mudi was not only used to herd the sheep but also to be the companion to the shepherd. It was bred to also watch the flock, the barn and the house. There are many tasks a Mudi has inborn talent for, but every Mudi born today should be a good companion first and a sport dog second.
If your dog can do all the sports to the highest level but you cannot live with it as it drives you crazy or has seizures on the agility equipment or at home, what good is it? If the dog has working ability out the wazoo but has a seizure while the sheep are in the middle of the road what good is it?
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Hello Kati,
I never said the Viadal was not important. you misunderstood that. But what is more important than a meeting to discuss what is so vitally important to every Mudi alive today and hope to be born not epileptic tomorrow.
Just because someone does or does not agree with this lecturer does not mean they should come or not come! It is not about agreement with the speaker!
This is the first meeting that is bringing knowledge and information that IS SO BADLY NEEDED to the people that need to hear it!
I am angry that the club will pay a huge amount of money for a meeting that the people on this group ASKED FOR but WILL NOT attend! You should be angry about this too!
Health is more important than working ability in any breed. If the dog is not healthy enough to work, the ability is not important anymore is it.
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Köszönöm Melinda for posting the epilepsy meeting information again.
I WILL BE POSTING THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE THAT ATTEND THIS MEETING ON THE MAGYAR MUDI KLUB WEBSITE, THE AMERICAN MUDI ASSOCIATION WEBSITE AND THE MUDI COMPASS WEBSITE. I WILL POST THEM ON THIS FORUM TOO.
All the world will see who cares about epilepsy in the Mudi breed and who does not and I hope they will take this into consideration who to listen to about epilepsy and who to ignore. I hope people will also think about this when they are looking for a Mudi puppy. People should only get a Mudi puppy from a caring breeder who wants to learn and understand about the occurrence of epilepsy in the Mudi breed.
I have read on this forum over these last months alot of talk, reasons, excuses and lots of questions with no answers, here is your chance to get answers and CORRECT information, not gossip and denial.
There is NO EXCUSE for anyone in Hungary to not be at this meeting. Péter and I have an overload of personal and Mudi related things in our lives at the moment but we will be there. If you have to work, send a friend or family member to ask your questions and write down the important information for you.
The klub is spending a ridiculous amount of money to put on this seminar that you all asked for on this group - since you all can find the time to write here every day, go to shows, training practice, competitions and viadals, then you can find the time to come to this meeting too.
I hope to see you all there and your name on the klub's websites. I will write a report to all the Mudi groups I am connected to and allow it to be cross posted to those groups I am not on.
Am I trying to shame those of you into attending that were not going to, yes I am! I am ashamed that so few people have told their intentions to go to this meeting!! I am absolutely ashamed of this breeds members!
Be there on Sunday! Or be prepared to explain to others your lack of interest in what is really important in this breed. This meeting is not just for breeders! If you have a Mudi or want a Mudi, you must attend this meeting.
I recommend that this meeting be canceled and no more meetings of any kind be held if the Mudi people do not show concern and interest enough to attend what they have asked for.
Viadals are nice, but if we do not do all we can to prevent the further spread of epilepsy in the Mudi breed, we won't need more viadals, we will need more pet cemeteries.
This is the most important meeting to ever be held for this breed!
IF YOU ARE NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION - YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!
Translation to Magyarul kindly requested. Köszönöm!
Celeste Pongrácz
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Hello Christine,
We plan a few litters for next year, Fecske and Soma will have a litter together very early in the year and also two other litters we have planned for next year as well. Please check out our website for more information about some of the parents. I will update it later with all the sure litters, I am just a bit busy right now to get to it.
Best wishes,
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Szia Judit & Ssacci,
Thanks for translating.
It is very hard I know and also very expensive and very sad that there is no support from the government (local or otherwise) or anywhere else. There should be low cost or discount veterinary services for rescue/shelter dogs. If they would all be spayed and neutered the numbers would drop down eventually.
I know you do all you can and for that I think all the Mudi people are grateful or should be.
Sadly the Mudi breed is not a rich one nor does it attract rich benefactors so there is not alot of money for the long list of things that would be really needed for this breed.
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Nevermind, semmi gond.
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Szia Ákos,
The email message came to Zsuzsa Pallagi through the Mudi.hu website and she forwarded it to me and asked me to place it to the group.
I did that. Please don't shoot the messengers now.
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Szia Judit,
My whole purpose was not to cause any trouble with this. I am sure you have to handle this as you think best and within your capabilities. BUT, aren't all Mudis and Mudi like dogs that come into and through the Mudimento program spayed and neutered?
This is standard rescue/shelter procedure around the world - to spay and neuter all before they go to their new homes, or the new owner leaves a very big deposit if the dog is too young or not in good health to perform the surgery just before the time of adoption.
I want to make sure I understand the numbers right, can someone clarify it for me please:
About 65 Mudis and about 50 Mudi like dogs have been placed through Mudimento?
Köszönöm, Celeste
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Szia Judit,
I know it will not be easy to find a new home for these dogs and I know that Mudimento does not sell dogs, but I thought that maybe you could let him know that you could help him to find homes for them before he gets desperate to place the dogs and he puts them to the street or a shelter.
I wrote a better translation for the new Mudi Klub website of what appears on the back of the Mudimento calendar, you are welcome to use it for the next calendar. Please let me know the current number of Mudis you have helped to find homes for and I will update it on the website.
Köszi, Celeste
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Szia, An email was passed to me and they asked that I put it to this group. I have pictures, I can forward them to whomever would need them. Maybe Mudimentô can help? Köszi! Celeste
Webüzenet érkezett a Mudi.hu weboldalon keresztül az alábbi adatokkal:
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> > (szuka). Budapestre költöztem és nem jól érzik magukat a városban. El
> > szeretném adni kertes házba vagy tanyára. Fajtiszták, papírjai nincsenek
> > nálam. Tenyésztőtől kaptam, mert szeretem a magyar fajtákat. Vidéken
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Of course if anyone can show the distinct clear advantages for the breed of doing something contrary to what I think is right, I am not against listening, learning and changing my opinions.
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Yes it is, but I will show to whomever I have to the advantages and disadvantages of doing such a statistical inventory.
I can quit the website same as anyone if I am forced to go against my ethics. I just turned down a job for this same reason, I will not back off from doing what I do for free with any less hesitation.
We can make Excel charts for whomever wants to complete the data and put these to the website so they can download it and fill it in if that would be helpful. It would be in both languages from the start, that way only one chart would be needed.
Technically at the end of every year the data could be converted to a list of individual dogs and their results that competed for that year, I am not against this sort of thing. But making one very huge list of all the Mudis that ever did anything? It is not possible and if you cannot get every Mudi that every did anything onto the list it would not be fair would it.
We should all think about this in the same light - what is good for the breed - not what is good for my dog, or my kennel or my sport, etc.
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Szia Kati és Éva,
I would like to step into this conversation about the data collecting and what to put on the MMK website.
I say this from my experience with many other breed specific dog clubs and also from my experience with dogs.
I do not want a collection of data on individual dogs. I want a collection of data from exams, tests, competitions, trials and shows only.
Making a list of single dogs achievements is the need of the breeder, not the club. The clubs purpose is NOT to promote individual dogs, but the whole breed!
While one owner may have a dog that does many things, it is no more valuable than an owner who has an equally talented dog, but does not compete. We should not push for breeding to the most popular and famous males! We need to promote all males as equal for breeding to avoid the overuse of males - which quickly ruins a breed.
The job of the klub and the klubs website is to promote the breed only. The job of the breeder is to promote their own dogs.
I will not publish individual dog record lists on the MMK website as it is against the basic principles of a breed klub. The exception is the stud list, which all club members have equal rights to advertise their male and his qualities on. But the owner has to send these results - I will not hunt for their achievements to add.
So please gather the results from exams, trials, competitions, tests and so on only. Put these into an annual list which can be placed to a website.
IF it is so important for someone to breed to the most accomplished male - then they need to find that male themselves - it is not for the club to promote any dog in any way as better or worse than another. This is a BREED klub, not a fan club - leave that to the breeders to do.
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Szia Éva!
If you want to collect the data and make it into Word, Excel or another format documents for the website I would be very happy!
Thank you for at least considering to do it! If Ákos is ok with this and you need me to put something on the website about sending you the data for all of the categories, I will do it. Please talk to Ákos about it.
I think that if you get some other people to help you with this, it could be very successful. I certainly hope it!
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Szia Éva,
It is not possible nor wanted that every dog owner send their results to the webmaster and then the webmaster has to do all the record verifying and keeping too.
The many tasks of a club should be divided up among the many members so that it is easier and more efficiently done.
I will not hunt for results, collect them and process them into a format for the website. I just do not have the time. So if this is to be done, I and Péter leave it all to other more qualified members of this club to do it. Or it will not be done.
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Szia Melinda!
Very well said indeed! Especially as you know what it was like to do this job! You get alot of complaints, very little thanks and no help.
Celeste
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Hi Christine,
Yes that is why. My website design program is made for Internet Explorer (IE) where everything is ideal....on all the other browsers like Netscape (which I use) and Firefox, the images run over.
I cannot seem to be able to fix this without distorting the images in IE.
So as most people use IE, I try to make things that are not so disturbing on the other browsers.
But when you are a Netscape user you get used to this kind of thing.
Celeste
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Szia Diana? vagy István?
Thank you Kati - you said it very well.
It is not the job of the webmaster - be they good or bad - to hunt down results and make the charts - it is the job of the Mudi klub to make a committee to do this - and to make sure the results are official as well!
So can I count on you to make this committee then - or are you just one of the many that wants everything but does not want to do anything to get it?
I need someone to be the collector and processor of uploadable files for:
Breeding Exams
Dog Shows
Herding Instinct results
Herding Competition results
Herding Working exam results
BH, Obedience, Schutzhund results
Agility
Dog Dancing
Frisbee
Flyball
Health results
Temperament tests
and whatever else I forgot
Or shall I do everything and forget I have a life that is not sitting on the netboard where not all of the Mudi results are posted either? Very few of the Mudi people in Hungary are on this forum, hard as that is for some to believe.
Celeste
http://www.magyarmudiklub.hu
http://www.mudicompass.org
http://www.mudikennel.com
http://www.americanmudiassociation.org
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